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PostPosted: July 31st, 2006 08:15:53 am 
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We got linked on the front page of Killer Robots from Space.

I think you all know my feelings on that comic (hint: adoration and a little lust-- scary, I know).

So this is exciting for me.

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Congratulations on this honour of pure awesomity.









In case anyone wonders, "awesomity" is my personal creation, and any person making use of the word is morally obligated to give me a dollar. By a stunning happenstance of syncretism it is this obligation which is used as the primary example given when defining what "awesomity" means.

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He made a remark about choosing the thimble for York. To Ben and I it seemed the obvious choice, but I wonder if other people have opinions on our cast selections.

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I liked the choice. Of all the monopoly-pieces, it is the one I feel is the least antropomorphic one, and thus it fits in with the other characters. It doesn't have a pronounced inherent personality in its shape, only a vague sort of suggestion as to what kind of creature it is, and thus you are perfectly free to form the character as you choose.

For the hard-of-reading:
I liked the choice.

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That is in fact what Ben and I were going for with our choices. In some ways, it is a stark contrast with some of the minimalist art comics I've seen. For instance, T-Rex of Daily Dinosaur Comics carries a load of personality baggage just from how he looks. Because of the fixed art style and repetition, that basis personality is imbued pretty strongly with the personality dictated by the script.

The pieces we selected aren't imbued with a lot of personality. I think that's part of why I liked the idea of clue pieces so much. Clue pieces have names, and when you see the card for the game, the characters they represent clearly have a lot of personality. Hell, even the names try and imbue some descriptive information into the characters (Professor Plum, Colonel Mustard, etc.)

But, at the same time, the only difference between the game pieces is their coloring. And lots of people confuse them with the pieces from Sorry. They don't scream who they are, and I like that because it means that Ben and I get to dictate more of their characterization.

Stick figure comics I think are in a closer position to what we're doing than a lot of others, though they still have some distinct differences. For instance, they can portray character movement, interaction, and distinction in ways that force certain readings. If the guy has his arms up in the air in a certain way, you are going to think "exasperated". The way Ben and I are doing this puts a lot of pressure on the script, especially because the distinguishing features of the pieces (their color and shape) don't have a tendency to press a certain reading on them. At least, I have noticed one. However, there are times I think of an idea and it seems suited to Steven rather than Sid, and maybe that's because Sid's purple, not because of some idea I have of who they are as characters.

Relatedly, check out Ben's old comic "FOMS", which explores a very similar aesthetic.

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Wow. The buying-of-food is a major theme with you guys, isn' it? (I just read FOMS strip #1)

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FOMS is Ben solo, I had no input.

However, I will also note that FOMS is not about groceries to nearly the same extent as Terror Island.

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Posiduck wrote:
I think that's part of why I liked the idea of clue pieces so much. Clue pieces have names, and when you see the card for the game, the characters they represent clearly have a lot of personality. Hell, even the names try and imbue some descriptive information into the characters (Professor Plum, Colonel Mustard, etc.)

But, at the same time, the only difference between the game pieces is their coloring. And lots of people confuse them with the pieces from Sorry. They don't scream who they are, and I like that because it means that Ben and I get to dictate more of their characterization.


In all the Clue editions I've seen (like, two...), the pieces were actually tiny little figurines of the characters, extremely distinct from one another and with plenty of personality implied.

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holy shit.

that blows my mind.

Every professor plum I have ever had looks just like the one in our comic, even in the deluxe clue set I have which has extra weapons.

wow.

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Guys I would have picked the race car and made him a sauve, cocksure ladies man.


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Guys I would have picked the race car and made him a sauve, cocksure ladies man.


I do like the car, the thing is, he'd have to have been a cocksure ladies man. And we didn't have a cocksure ladies man in mind. Same reason we didn't go with a Knight from chess; then we'd have had to have made a character embody horsiness.

I am thinking that if I ever do a different photocomic it will be office supplied, and believe you me, the staple remover would be used even though it looks like a monster. Scratch that. Especially because it looks like a monster.

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oh also, in case you check this thread again, Adam:

Ben made scrabbletoe for a friend of his.

I don't know if you knew that, but I thought you'd like to.

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Posiduck wrote:
FOMS is Ben solo, I had no input.
Yes, I got that, but still...

By the way, am I to take this to mean that Ben was the origin of the grocery-theme?

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Posterity!!!

Here are some excerpts from the conversational genesis of our comic.
(note: "the Baby Jinx one" refers to a thing we were doing in the starslip forums, with changing the dialogue in Straub's art to lightheartedly mock some forum conversations that had been going on)

On Wednesday, June 7, 2006 we wrote:
1:48:05 AM factition: I say we finish the Baby Jinx one, then work on our own webcomic.
1:48:10 AM ultralewis: our own webcomic?
1:48:16 AM factition: Exactly.
1:48:22 AM ultralewis: ok
1:48:29 AM ultralewis: can you do art?
1:48:41 AM factition: About two wacky roommates who constantly argue about whose turn it is to buy groceries!
1:48:47 AM factition: Yeah, I have a camera.


Later that same day we wrote:
2:13:33 AM ultralewis: I'm almost tempted to think that what I liked about the stones was how not person-y they looked
2:14:36 AM factition: But if we use some other class of objects, like sticks or cups, it might have a "FOMS ripoff" feeling.
2:14:54 AM factition: Of course, most people haven't seen FOMS.
2:15:36 AM ultralewis: Index cards?
2:15:46 AM ultralewis: with stick figure faces drawn on them
2:16:45 AM factition: That beats FOMS, but it would lose to a webcomic about scissors.

Yes, that is classic Ben right there.

And here you can see that (one of) my main role(s) is to ensure that Ben's craziness is filtered before it gets to an audience:
Later still that day we wrote:
2:31:46 AM factition: Wait, I just thought of something that I don't think has ever been done.
2:31:50 AM ultralewis: ok
2:31:57 AM ultralewis: this is a joke isn't it
2:32:04 AM factition: What if the characters weren't particular shapes or forms at all, but colors?
2:32:05 AM ultralewis: you're about to say something like, "cartoons"
2:32:10 AM ultralewis: hmm
2:32:20 AM ultralewis: show me a sample panel
2:32:37 AM factition: As in, when we want Bob to be on the right side of a panel, we have that area of the photograph contain something red.
2:32:49 AM ultralewis: too confusing, I think
2:32:52 AM factition: If it's blueish, that means Kvasir is there.
2:32:58 AM factition: And so on.
2:33:06 AM factition: Confusion = art!
2:33:16 AM ultralewis: i don't want art I want narrative
2:33:27 AM ultralewis: chess pieces?
2:33:34 AM ultralewis: or checkers
2:33:38 AM ultralewis: different game tokens
2:33:48 AM factition: Various game tokens.
2:33:52 AM ultralewis: yeah
2:34:05 AM factition: Maybe some Monopoly ones too.
2:34:06 AM ultralewis: but stay away from cliche monopoly pieces
2:34:17 AM ultralewis: like, wheelbarrow = yes, car = np
2:34:18 AM factition: Creative differences!
2:34:18 AM ultralewis: *no
2:34:33 AM factition: What about the iron?
2:34:43 AM ultralewis: iron is ok every once in a while
2:35:23 AM ultralewis: i say main cast: a rook, 2 of the sorry style token (or like, the old school clue pieces), a checker, and, umm
2:35:58 AM factition: What about those Icehouse pyramid things?


Obviously, we made some substantive changes from there. Also I've left out other parts of the conversation, like, alternate plot ideas we had, because that was the first one Ben suggested. So, yes, Loki, it was Ben's idea, however:

Then Ben wrote:
3:37:31 AM factition: This is from my notes about the roommates who constantly argue about whose turn it is to buy groceries:
3:37:47 AM factition: [here ben put the first script we used]
3:38:50 AM factition: The problem is that the premise didn't seem very sustainable.


Ben and I sure showed past-Ben a thing or two about sustainability!

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Yeah I bet past-Ben is grinding his teeth together in dismay. Er, was grinding his teeth together in dismay. Will be. Will have been. I bet past-Ben will have been going to have grinded his teeth in a togetherly fashion.


Thanks for the interesting intel, by the way. :D Also, you considered "Kvasir" as a character name? Wohoo! Norse mythology for the win. (Well, it obviously didn't win, so, norse mythology for the loss. Yay, anyways)

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oh also, in case you check this thread again, Adam:

Ben made scrabbletoe for a friend of his.

I don't know if you knew that, but I thought you'd like to.


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Well, "Considered" is a strong term. Ben trid to stealth it in, by just using it when suggesting ideas without at any point saying, "let's name a character Kvasir".

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Adam wrote:
Posiduck wrote:
oh also, in case you check this thread again, Adam:

Ben made scrabbletoe for a friend of his.

I don't know if you knew that, but I thought you'd like to.


PIX PLS K THX


Ben should be back to his normal internet faring self sometime soon, or at least check in on things sometime soon, so when I see him, I will tell him you desire photographic evidence, and he will hopefully have some, or be able to get some.

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PostPosted: August 1st, 2006 15:33:39 pm 
Also here's a SECRET BEHIND SCENES look at the start of my comic. Since we were sort of talking about that?

http://www.eastmostpeninsula.com/misc/m ... ashman.gif

(I'm just linking it since it's huge)

I made a few of these just for some dudes on a message board I post on sometimes. I switched everything up, when I got SEROIUS, cause obviously no one takes sprite comics seriously and also using Mega Man seems like kind of a comedy crutch to me, in that people would probably just like it just cause it has Mega Man doing crazy stuff. I need to make it on my own, forge my path, etc...


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shame you couldn't reuse the Belt-man joke, but on the whole, I'd say I like the non-megaman aesthetic more than that one joke.

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Posiduck wrote:
Ben should be back to his normal internet faring self sometime soon, or at least check in on things sometime soon, so when I see him, I will tell him you desire photographic evidence, and he will hopefully have some, or be able to get some.

Is it bad that I had to read this sentence twice before I felt sure it did'nt say "pornographic evidence" and not "photographic evidence"?

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Also, you considered "Kvasir" as a character name? Wohoo! Norse mythology for the win. (Well, it obviously didn't win, so, norse mythology for the loss. Yay, anyways)


What's more, I regularly try to convince Lewis that Odin should be Sid and Stephen's wacky next-door neighbor.

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Adam wrote:
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oh also, in case you check this thread again, Adam:

Ben made scrabbletoe for a friend of his.

I don't know if you knew that, but I thought you'd like to.


PIX PLS K THX


I'll ask Claire to send me some pictures. I forgot to take any myself, and she's far away from me right now.

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That Professor Plum looks more brooding than absent-minded. My concepts of Clue characters are strongly biased by a series of children's books of logic puzzles about them.

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Posiduck wrote:
2:15:36 AM ultralewis: Index cards?
2:15:46 AM ultralewis: with stick figure faces drawn on them
2:16:45 AM factition: That beats FOMS, but it would lose to a webcomic about scissors.

For the record, I'd love to see a photo-comic where index-card people are battling ravenous scissors!

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XD Brilliance!

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Here's another excerpt from our comic-planning sessions:

3:48:29 AM factition: What if every time Stephen hiccuped, he turned into a werewolf?
3:48:50 AM ultralewis: ok, but only so long as he never hiccups
3:48:54 AM factition: Deal.
3:49:09 AM ultralewis: and its a secret from everyone
3:49:19 AM factition: For now.
3:49:19 AM ultralewis: both in the strip and in real life
3:49:46 AM factition: What if the wacky inventor next door made a machine that can detect what would happen if he were to hiccup?
3:49:56 AM factition: And tested the machine on Stephen.
3:50:18 AM factition: The wacky inventor is Odin.
3:50:24 AM ultralewis: NO
3:50:25 AM ultralewis: no odin
3:50:35 AM ultralewis: you are fired from suggesting odin related developments in the comic
3:50:49 AM factition: Too late. "Omicron" is Spanish for "Odin."

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Yay Odin!

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